Can you believe that? It has been a little bit more than 5 years since I started working with CAT-Reloaded, or to be more specific, since we formed CAT-Reloaded, as CAT-Reloaded is only 5 years old.
It’s shocking to remember all what happened while being/working as CAT, we had GREAT times together and very HARD times together but what I remember most is what I’ve learned from being CAT and working in such an activity.
I wrote earlier some series called “My Story With CAT” but I didn’t have the chance to complete it, maybe soon, but what you are about to witness is the end of this glorious story.
After 5 years it’s important to see where I stand among my dreams and what were my goals regarding CAT and where is CAT now. As I can remember, I’ve changed alot with CAT and gained a huge experience from working with students as a student and as a tutor, but the most painful part is that I didn’t gain much of technical experience out of CAT as most of its members did.
Originally I joined CAT to be part of this historical idea, to create the smartest community in mansoura university and to achieve high level of technical competency that would be comparable to any foreign university, thus having better chances in the IT market after graduation and maybe changing the face of the computer technology in the world, quite optimistic, huh? 
What became technically true is that we became a “community”, but to be honest almost nothing of my dreams became true during those 5 years, maybe we are still in progress but what I expect is not positive at all, because as time goes by, people become more careless and less conscious of their abilities and the most important part is that they became more “negative”, no body thinks about his future, no body has the ability to change his reality, that he is a complete idiot in computer science, except a very very small number of people of what I call “anomaly”.
We were ‘anomalies’ when we thought about a community like that but like most of Egyptians, we are infected with many social diseases that affected our steps to a better future, but we were really good because we could do what many people couldn’t and we could form a community that did a good effort to help others, to realize the reality that is the difference between normal engineering students in mansoura university are worthless in the current international market unless they prove to be otherwise.
We were anomalies because it’s hard to expect that a society like this produce such positive thinkers, and it’s very difficult to generate those anomalies again easily, but it happened and we had the chance to change the reality, but obviously we couldn’t.
We did good, I know but we didn’t reach the dream, we are not even close, but we did good, and we fought all our diseases and we could create a huge community so our words can be heard quickly but not necessarily effectively.
After surviving with CAT for a long time, I decided to form my own foundation, subsidry of CAT-Reloaded, it’s called H4ck3rZ, I did my best to formulate all my thoughts in that foundation and it was the most successful thing I ever did in CAT but original founders fade out and most of them left and again it’s affected by the fact that the current generation in the college have less anomalies than expected and the website of H4ck3rZ became “almost” dead!
I decided to leave H4ck3rZ management as I believe that I’m not as effective as before, I cannot refurbish H4ck3rZ, I don’t have enough power or time to keep pushing a close-to-death entity. I love startups, so I think I may start something else or maybe join another active community, I’m tired of being the only driving element in any community I join, I need to work with talented people so I can achieve my dreams to this country, I’ll not spend my whole life pushing a bunch of idiots, it’s more efficient to let them find their way with as little guidance as possible and start searching for new people. I need to work with people like whom I worked with before (Ehab Abdou, Ibrahim Abdel Fattah, El Sayed Gamal, Ahmed Abdalla, Samer Gad, Hatem El Sum, Hatem Mohamed, Yara, etc.) they were crazily active! (specially yara) and I was crazily creative at then.
Leaving H4ck3rZ management does not mean that I’ll stop supporting them, I’ll keep supporting everybody but just it’s more professional to work in a team where you can be as effective as possible, and staying effortless in a close-to-dead team is not good. If you are not going to work and you know that you cannot make the change, then LEAVE!, it’s non-sense that you stay neither working nor leaving!.
I’ll still work with CAT, but not strings attached.
Ahmed Soliman Farghal is a professional "Software/Systems" engineer with exceptional computer science background and spectacular record of projects and achievements.
Asslamo 3alekom
1st … Please , please : don’t say Idiots
2nd , I really loved somethings you’ve done in CAT … and some people got another way of thinking about their life and what they will do to become more capable, but I see that most of CAT activities now like Scope that you used to fight for arranging it , is done now systematically (not really an easy task, but it got mapped out what we should do to get it right), so as Sayed said in the last scope Final
, we need others contribution, no more individuals work, and we are really trying it now.
, and more to come isA (why secret , so we get the first step done, then we approve that we could do it, but IT’S a team 
)
there is two teams working in a “Secret project” and smaller team working in a more secret one
I really miss these days when we were all together in our “NOISY but effective” meetings, but when I remember, I wish we were the same as we are now, we have gained a lot of experience that would have helped us a lot in the past, we would have made our dream possible. kona haneb2a 3arfeen en e7na 3ayzen ne3′ayar fel balad di w nebtedy neshta3′al mn sa3et-ha, mosh nefham dah met2a5ar zai ma fehemnah delw2ty. I really miss these days, the old CAT days.
انا مش هقول حاجه لانى طبعا حاسس باللى انت بتفكر فيه
السلام عليكم
ازيك ياأحمد؟ انا مش عارفه ليه انت اضايقت من ردى امبارح بالرغم انى اصريت انى مكتبش كلام كتير لأنى كنت فعلا مضايقة
الحقيقة ان دلوقتى كل واحد شايف انه جاب آخره مع الهاكرز والناس ميته ومحدش واخد باله ان فى ناس بتظهر ببطىء لو مددقتش مش هتلاحظه دى حاجة
الحاجة التانية انت مش مطالب منك ياأحمد انك تشجع الناس ديما ليه يإما تكون بتعمل حاجة كبيرة قوى يإما متكنش موجود
المفروض ان ده حلم بدأتو متسيبوش مش هقلك نهضة المسلمين حصلت فى وقت اد ايه ولا الرسول نشر الإسلام فى اد ايه اكيد مش فى خمس سنين كل حاجة هتحقق
المشكله الكبيرة ياأحمد ان انتو مقدرتوش تنقلو وتزرعو رسايل فى الناس تخليها من جواها مؤمنه بالكات والنقطه دى احنا مفتقدينها بشكل كبير مش موجودة فى أى فريق عمل تانى
الناس الى بحس ان عندها رساله هما للأسف باقيا الجيل القديم ال لسه موجودين
غير نقطة الإدارة انا بعتبرها سيئه عندى أمل تتحسن اليومين الجايين
مفهوم العمل الجماعى مش موجود بدليل ان كل واحد يدي لنفسه مليون تاسك لحد مايتعب ويقول انا الوحيد الى بشتغل
بنطلع عيوب فى الفريق فى الآخر بيطلع فينا نفس العيوب بدليل اننا مصلحنهاش ومشينا وسيبناها
لو كان الجيل القديم مزروع فيه الفكرة اوى مش مجرد نشاط جوه الجامعه ليه اختفى تماما دلوقتى ولا العمل التطوعى ده مرتبط بالجامعه ولما اشتغل يبقا ملوش لازمة؟؟
بالعكس ع الأقل ده نفس اتجاه المجال
احنا محتاجين نكون منظمين أكتر انا شايفه المشكله فى تكوين الفريق اكتر ماهى م الناس
ياريت متضايقش انا بحاول افكر معاك مش أكتر
I really wish at this moment that i can oppose any of what you said .. i really do.
but what i can say :”لعله خير”
I joined CAT from about 3 months now .. and this is exactly what i have been hearing from every member even those who does absolutely nothing ( except talking off course ) ..
You may think that you’ve not reached your dreams but at least you helped other people to reach theirs …….. even if you’ve not noticed
Anyway , Do you really think that this post will keep us from counting on you !!! i don’t think so ( just kidding )..
And by the way , we are working but as “Atia” said “(((IN SECRET)))” … our results will prove our work ( very soon isA )
and “IDIOTS” isn’t really a nice word to describe any entity even our entity .. i know we might deserve it but yet won’t accept it.
First of all, this is to all..
I didn’t mean people who are in charge to be “idiots”, I meant in general, and it includes me if I’m in this team, and that’s why I called us anomalies, this inlcude atia, you and hanady.
And I believe that I did enormous effort to deliver the message of being working in CAT to everyone, every single presentation I mention it. I thought that I did what I could have possibly done and there is nothing else I could do.
About other founders, I can’t talk for them but they can explain their situations, I told you before that everyone has capabilities and beliefs in his work and the one who stays longer, the one who is more capable of struggling without gaining result.
About CAT scope ya atia, it has nothing related to the original dream of CAT and it should be a “product” of the community not a goal by itself, and yeah we gained much experience regarding making scopes more efficient with less effort and things became much more automated now, but do you think that it’s the product of the community? How many of presenters are working only in scope? how many of people attending scope become active members in the community later?
Just to clarify, I didn’t give up, and as I mentioned, I’ll still support everything but I’m thinking more efficient now and I want to do something that can really work, maybe not in mansoura at all, because my message has nothing to do with mansoura specifically.
I think you should really read the mission statement I wrote in 2006 and see how much of it became true because of my continuous efforts and which problems remained because of the nature of the community.
I’ll try to update the post and put the mission statement.
I cannot help but feel offended for myself, and everyone else that has worked with you that you’ve pushed in some sort — this (unconsciously, I hope) included probably more people than you might imagine. Anyway, I don’t know about everybody else, and because I choose to not let my feelings interfere with my decisions more than all other factors combined, I decided to thank you for all the effort you’ve made and accordingly all the things you’ve changed — either intentionally or unintentionally.
Nevertheless, I find it hard to imagine that you’ve let yourself describe how you feel in this absurd way.
We all know how much you’ve done to CAT and nobody can deny that (not even rebellious me), but do you really think that all the things that did come true did come true because of your continuous work, and the things that did go wrong did go wrong because of the nature of the community? Maybe I am missing something here.
let me explain more kamasheto,
I consider every single one who has changed and become active is talented! so you are one of the talented people I’m seriously happy that I worked with.
Whom I keep calling them idiots are people who attend scopes, attend courses, attend everything and they never change! they just keep the same attitude and only a few responded to effort.
I think that my words cannot describe my feelings and I’ve been known to look harsh in my written stuff than reality, that’s because it’s difficult to express “emotions” in words.
But to conclude, what I wanted to say is that regardless who wrote the mission statement, I wanted to prove that the main obstacle is the community and it keep going worse, what I meant by my continuous effort is that I kept helping implementing those ideas but I didn’t mean or say that I was the ONLY one, definitely the other “anomalies” specially “Al Sayed” and “Ayman”, “Abdalla” and many people helped and maybe some of them had the most important roles doing this. but something do change and something don’t. The point is that things which didn’t change, became much worse and more people are going out than people going in, and seriously we are losing talents.
If people had the same level of belief then why did abdalla go for example?! why did samer stopped? many people keep pushing until they are distracted by a higher priority things and they simply cannot multitask so CAT is low priority to them, and that happened for many talents that we lost and it’s very difficult these days to find the same talents, even you kamasheto almost stopped working with CAT maybe for the same reason.
So, we have 2 elements:
1- Idiots, who are too stupid to realize the problem they are living in and they keep sleeping like sheep without even thinking to revolutionize.
2- Talents, who we keep losing them in a higher rate than getting new ones.
3- Community, new generations tend to be more lazy and less talented (maybe they have talents but they are too lazy to discover them)
I really respect EVERY single one I worked with and I meant by idiots all those who didn’t understand that they need to change their reality and those who are talented but just want to stay talented alone, why help people!
btw, what I said is “pushing” not “helping”, can you guess the difference?
I don’t think I ever had to “push” you kamasheto
ha2olak ya a7med , el awel i think you’re right eno sa3b ye2o3d ye push fe el nas , ye push fe el nas we mafesh natiga we yegy 3aleh fatra eno yeb2a mosh ader ye3mel aktar men keda we yeb2a 7ases eno beyzo2 fe 7eta
the problem eno el nas betes5an besor3a awi ba3d el courses we ba3d el scopes we te2ol yalla nekasar el donia we 3ala a5er el nahar kol 7aga terga3 zay el awel wala akenak 3amalt 7aga we teb2a gayez sponsers we 3amel posters we offers we 7agat keter we tela2i el mawdo3 ba3d el nas ma mawetet nafsaha fel scope management tela2i awel yom nas keter we ba3den yebda2o ye2olo , ana shayfa eno el moshkela mosh fe el management wala el leadership ya a7med wallahi el moshkela fe el anta5aaaaaa el nas 3ayza te2nta5 we tekabbar we te2ol mafesh sho’3l el balad mosh 3aref eah :S we kol wa7ed mesh beyfakkkar eno yebda2 benafso we ye3mel 7aga 7atta law leah le wa7do to make him proud of him self :S i no longer wonder leah el nas el kowayesa betmeshy ya3ny kol el nas elly kan leha brains fe our college saboha we mesho :S 3aref leah 3ashn la2o maghodhom beyroo7 3ala el fady , mesh 3arfa a2olak eza kan leaving the hackers is a right decision or not, bas shayfa en da momken yefeed el nas enaha badal ma teb2a depending tool el wa2t 3ala ahmed soliman eno ye generate ideas we ye7arak el nas , may el nas hatfoo2 we tet7araak men nafsaha :S we ye7esso eno lazem el wa7ed yekon motivated howa 7atta law wa2ef ye7areb le wa7do , god bless you..
DIna..
Ana Awel Marra A3raf enni ra’3aya keda el comment taweel awi :S
I really don’t know what to say..
but i know very well how you feel, i shared those feelings with you, i witnessed how much it affected you, from a long time..
Lately you kept feeling disappointed and depressed from how things gone in CAT or H4ckerz , and that nothing is improving and nobody is responding..
It hurts u so much when u keep pushing and pushing and no one is responding, or at least not as u expect or wish…
but as u said, the community affects so many things, and much more is the priorities of life regarding CAT
But I blv that many students were inspired and pushed by you, even if they are much least than what u expect or even should be…
I can just remember the day when you talked to me for the first time about the CAT-realoded team, and how enthusiastic u were,
The start-up was great and the effort is huge, but the result isn’t satisfying..
I liked how u classified the members and people in the CAT, it’s true, though sounded hard to say, cuz as for me, i think everyone else, will think where they are, what they did, accomplished , how far they went through the main goal of CAT or any sub-foundation of it.
I feel that it’s the right time to take such a decision, as lately it became a burden on you, when every time you check the hackers website and see it DEAD -your own word- and you start thinking why, and what’s wrong, is it your way in delivering or pushing, is it lazy members, leaning on each other where no one is doing anything indeed, is it the study issue, where you blv very well that no one cares that much for college unless its exams .
whatever the reason is, you did more than great with it… but now, you found out that at this moment, you can’t change it any more. not because you don’t want to, because there’s no sign for a change to be done.
I know very well, you’ll never stop supporting, so, I hope it will be better for you, and I hope things for CAT and hackers and any other aiming community to be much better and improved.
I talked from knowing you and feeling the effect of all those issues on you.
Good luck with it… and good luck for everybody in their secret projects
Sinar , You are So Right , If it became a burden on ahmed you should support him through his decision 3ashn it’s for the best.
I have been reading the comments, trying to figure out the problem, but everyone really have his own point of view.
I agree with Hanady when she said:
I feel it now, and I will REALLY do my best in the next coming days to try to solve this problem.
I will not about the pushing/helping thing, we all know how much your efforts affected CAT, kol wa7ed 3aref howa 3amal eh. el7amdolelah.
3aref ana nefsy fi eh? bas heya sa3ba, negama3 the original 15, elli 2awemo el CAT w ne3mel CAT Global Meeting, w nena2esh eh el mashakel elli mawgoda now, we7na zaman kona ben2abel el mashakel di ezzay, w ben7ellaha kaman ezzai.
Dina, 2alet en el moshkela mosh fel management aw fel leadership, snap 2al en fi Secret project, masda2tesh ella lama kalemto online bel sodfa w 2alli 3ala mawdo3 el “Secret”, wallahi ya Ahmed 23dt ad7ak, fa ya Dina, we have a trouble in our management, things are done “secretly” and people who really need to know stuff don’t know these stuff.
fi 7aga kaman wahmeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
, ana eftakart mawkef kan 7asal ma3aya ayam el scope elli fat, bas mosh nas keteer te3rafo, 7aga kanet fel Graphix Team lead by Osama Gamal, el mafrod enno 2adem fel CAT, you will really get astonished how this team took their decisions “SECRETLY!!!”, they had a great trouble in their management! this trouble has proven their great failure. The reason was that they had no idea about how stuff used to get done in CAT management, which turns us back to Hanady’s point.
Teegy ne3mel el Global Meeting dah?
3aref bgd what I really miss SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH from these old days too, Eng.Mahy Osman, bgd wallahi I REAAAAAAAAALLYY miss her!
السلام عليكم الاول:
لو سمحتوا يا شباب خلينا منفضلش نعيد فى نفس الكلام و منطلعش بنتيجه
سليمان: فكرتك وضحت وهى انك شايف ان كل الناس اللى موجودة فى الكات ومبتشتغلش. دول اغبياء.
و النقطة الثانية انك شايف انك بذلت مجهود كبيييييييير اوى ومحققتش اى اهداف.
لو احقيقة كده فعلا يبفى للاسف انت”فشلت” وضيعت من عمرك 5 سنيين هدر
ده اللى انتو بتتكلموا وبتدورو حوله من الصبح. بس للاسف الكلام ده مش مظبوط.
من رأيى انا شايف انك يا سليمان لو سبت الكات “الفاشلة” دى و روحت اشتغلت فى اى كوميونتى “ناجح” تبقى مغيرتش حاجة.و الاسباب هى:-
1- لأن الكوميونتى الناجح ناجح بيك او من غيرك
2-لانك لو سبت الكات تبقى فعلا ضيعت 5 سنيين من عمرك
3- لانك لو مصبرتش على الكات و فضلت تحارب عشانها بعد شغلك فيها 5 سنيين. عمرك مهتحارب فى اى حاجة تانية لان اللي يستسلم بعد شغل 5 سنيين. عمره ما هيكمل فى اى حاجة ثانية
4- لو فى مكان فى الدنيا مفهوش مشاكل كتييييييييييييييييير لدرجة تحسسك انها مبتتحلش. ارجوك ابقى قوللى على “الكوكب ده” لو سمحت.
على اى حال انا شايف ان الحل فى التغيير هو اننا نغير طريقة تفكيرنا و طريقة شغلنا فى الكات عموما.
يعنى الكات دي عبارة عن ايه؟ دى عبارة عن مجموعة شباب ناجحيين و كويسيين فى مجال ال اى تى فقرروا انهم يعملوا كوميونتى يشاركوا فيه خبراتهم مع بعض و مع بقيت الناس.
طيب ايه اللى ممكن يحصل لما الناس دي كلها تمشى؟ قدامك حليين :-
1- الكات تبوظ و نقعد نكتأب و نعيط وده اللى بيحصل دلوقتى
2- ناخد بمدأ عمر بن الخطاب اللى بيقول “الضربة التى لا تقسم ظهرى تقوينى” ونبدا نفكر بطريقة جديدة منكونش بنعتمد فيها على شخص بعينه او مجموعة اشخاص. بحيث ان لو خسرنا حد منضيعش ذى ما بيحصل دلوقتى.
يا سليمان ارجع بالتاريخ لورا وشوف المصريين بقاهم قد ايه عايشيين فى غلط. 500 سنة؟ 1000 سنة؟ طيب هل من العدل انك تبقى عايز تصلح غلطات 1000 سنة فى 5 سنيين؟!!!!
على فكرة صلاح الدين الايوبى فضل يصلح فى المجتمع 10 سنيين قبل ما يحرر القدس.
طبعا الموضوع مش سهل انك تحارب جهل و غباء و فساد وتخلف وطمع وغرور … الى اخره لو كان ليه اخر. وتتوقع ان الحياه هتمشي معاك ذبادى فى الخلاط!!. “الا لو كنت فى الكوكب اللى قولتلك عليه من شوية”
انا اسف انى طولت عليكم واسف يا سليمان انى بتكلم بصيغة مش رسمية بس ده لانى شايف انك بجد قريب مننا كلنا وان خروجك من الكات ضرر لينا كلنا.
بس برضو انا لسه شايف ان الحل الوحيد عشان نتغير اننا نغير طريقة شغلنا
سلام
اوكى شكلى هرد انا كمان
يمكن انت صنفت الناس ل3 اصناف انا مش هناقشك فيهم و إن كنت عايز اضيف صنف تانى قابلنى و اكيد قابلك اللى هما واخدين الكات مصلحه و مش فى دماغهم إنهم يساعدوا لكن بياخدوا بس
لكن اللى انا متأكد منه و اللى اتفقت فيه مع سيد جمال و انا بكلمه امبارح إننا بنحارب ثقافه و تقاليد مجتمع الموضوع مش بالبساطه إنك اول ما تقول فكره او تقول هنعمل كذا و كذا تلاقى الدنيا كلها معاك و بتقول يلا نشتغل الكلام ده فى حته تانيه لكن هنا فى مصر لأ
يبقى المشكله الاساسيه هى مشكله اداره إنك ازاى تدير الناس ديه و تحركهم زى ما انت عايز بالشكل المطلوب و ده يمكن يكون واجب و عبأ علينا انا عارف إنى بناقض نفسى دلؤتى خصوصا إنى اتصرفت نفس موقفك ده من فتره بس صدقنى ده اللى انا استنتجته بعد تفكير طويل فى الموضوع ده
يبقى الفكره إنك ازاى تغير من مفاهيم الناس ديه و طريقه تفكيرهم و شويه شويه هيطلع ناس فعلا كويسين مبيفكروش فى مصالحهم الشخصيه و عازين يعملوا حاجه كويسه بس ازاى بقى تخلى الموضوع ده متجدد خصوصا إن كل مره بيجيلك ناس جديده عندهم نفس المشاكل ديه و نلاقى نفسنا بنرجع لنفس النقطه التانى بدليل الكات القديمه كانوا جامدين جدا و كويسين بس لما مشوا مجاش بعدهم حد و ديه اكبر غلطه غلطوها و ده اللى انا بتكلم عنه
المهم الخلاصه إننا محتاجين نصلح فى الناس حاجات كتير اوى نتيجه عوامل سياسيه او ثقافيه او اجتماعيه او ايا كانت الاساب بعدها بقى نبقى نعلم الناس تيكنيكال بدليل إن ناس كتير اوى بتاخد كورسات بس قليل اللى بيكمل و يعلم نفسه و يشتغل
انا اسف إن كان كلامى يجرح حد بس هى ديه الحقيقه من وجهه نظرى
Good point Bingo, I wanted 2 mention also,
these SECRET projects,
why secret, sorry 4 this bas,,, “5ayfeen mn el 7asad masalan”
people were so eager to c any project coming to light, or anything is done or been working on,,,
and it’s more than one, SECRETLY
why, ???
what’s the point to be secret, to be said they are the first to finish a project or what?
is it a personal interest?!!
I really can’t get it..!!
I disagree with you and Hanady, cuz I blv the message is delivered very clearly, but the enthusiasm and belief doesn’t last long, may be community effect or any other thing…
u wont force some one to work hard to help and improve his country or religion , u talk and talk and talk,
u shout, u push, u give ideas and launch courses for free…
then what?
Members need to REALIZE that they are learning and improving for the sake of a bigger aim, not only the sake of themselves.
I started to feel it’s complicated
So, my comment is removed ….. why?
OK then, I’m sorry for trying to help.
Emam, your comment wasn’t removed, WP felt that it’s a spam so it was moderated
انا مع محمد الامام فى كلامه بس اللى بدور عليه دلؤتى ازااااااااى نحقق اللى احنا عازينه فى الوسط اللى احنا عايشين فيه ده
@Sinar: dah mawdo3 secret dah meday2ny b shakl, el moshkela ennek lama tesma3y kalam el nas elli sha3′alen fel mashare3 di, bet7esy en wala ka2enohom magboren yeshta3′alo feeha, wel 3ozr en “ma7na yamam 2olna lel nas 3ala mashare3, w tebtedy w ba3den kol 7aga to2af”, dah 7atta el nas elli momken yeshta3′alo ma3erfosh, ana 3ereft embare7 bel sodfa en fi mashro3 mn el mashare3 el secret di taba3 el catazine, wallahi masada2t el kalam elli et2al! bgd mahzala!!
asslamo 3alekom
أنا مرحتش الكلية النهاردة
و من الأسباب هو كلامى مع إبراهيم
تعبت من الفكرة
ممم هكمل عنجلش
The catazine team isn’t a team formed in the fly by us ,
OUR co-ordinator Sayed Gamal abd el azeem is the one who made this team
and gave us privilege to make the Next CATAZINE , so we are working the project team oriented, we don’t need all members to work in it, so we the project can be handled easy and delivered on time.
So Emam wanted to make a beta Version from it (it’s printed btw) and then everyone will know, and afterwards any one really wants to participate is welcomed, also any one reading this now, already know about the team can join !
, but it’s not foundation oriented, meaning Emam divided it like pro Mags, editors and so on and permanent categories.
Secondly, when talking with Ibrahim, he made me feel that we are not good managers and we cannot handle such thing, and EVEN if we succeeded that doesn’t mean we are good managers :s ………………….
WE try to be ya Bingo
hmmm , why you are always saying that all the time you “pushing” people to do projects, and when we do it we get this treatment , we need to learn how to do this, and this is a new type of in CAT so we don’t expect old CATers to have alot experience in it, we try to do our best
@ Sinar … feeh 2 projects in hackerz, 1 in CSED , 3 ta2reban 3la Depiak law feeh 7ad mota7mes fe3lan kan haye3mel 7aga
and already there was Catazine , we had only 1 edition from it , and when Sayed wanted a topic from each foundation , non of them (except CSED) made it … bem3na asa7 Sayed made all the other topics … The one saying this is not me
dah Kalam sayed literally in a core meeting, yemken CSED (Daif )kaman printed the topic 3ala 7esabo.
Please don’t be so harsh on working members, remember it’s an open community, we work Voluntarily for the love of being a CAT and the love of IT field and finally gaining the experience of working in such good projects.
haaaah *relief*
ana nawy isA ma3odesh arod 3la el post dah
I need to pass my day calm and peaceful.
saalaam
Well,
Really I read this post yesterday but I did’t know what I’ll say and I did’t want to speak
I think I will be from
[quote]2- Talents, who we keep losing them in a higher rate than getting new ones.[/quote]
Because I was not prepared to assume idiots who I dealing with them …!
This is a reason to make some people leave from CAT and does’t want to work or continue in it .
CAT NOW need Officials know how to deal with people to make theme LOVE CAT AND WORKING WITHOUT NEED ANY THANKS FROM ANYONE about what they do to CAT.
@Snap: I dun think this is the place to discuss “our” conversation, but I just needed to ask:
ezzay “already” w ezzay “secret”? ya Snap dana 3ereft bel sodfa
And making it secret, even on the foundations, really makes you fail as being managers, you can manage things internally ONLY, bas bel zabt zai el team el 3azem beta3 el graphics elli et3amal el scope elli fat. I didn’t say that you can’t handle it, I just said it needed no “secrecy”. LOL, ana sa2alatak embare7 5 times meen elli katab el articles, w fel a5er 2olteli estana ashof momken a2olak wala la2
, sebny wenaby, zai ma2olt balash hena, soon isA!
@Ahmed Madkour
انا بجد معرفش بالظبط ايه اللى المفروض نعملوا بس اللي اعرفو بجد هو ايه اللى المفروض منعملوش. ذى الاستسلام واليأس و الهروب من الواقع…..
على اى حال خلينا نحسبها بالورقة و القلم.
ايه المشاكل اللى قدام الكات دلوئتى؟
1- مفيش ناس عندها خبرة فى الادارة. ولو فيه يبقى معندهومش وقت.
2- فى ناس نفسها تشتغل بس مش لاقية حد يوجها.
3- الهدف الاساسى للكات مش واضح ومفيش جدول زمنى لأى حاجة (يعنى مش عارفيين مثلا ايه المفروض نحققو كمان شهرين؟)
4- فى ناس بتموت نفسها فى الشغل وفى الاخر مبتجبش نتيجة (وده طبعا بسبب سوء التخطيت والشغل الفردى)
اعتقد ان دى اكبر مشاكل بتواجهنا دلوقتى. طيب ممكن نحلها اذاى؟
1- لازم لازم لازم يبقى فيه ادارة كويسة وعندها خبرة من الناس القديمة وطبعا لازم الناس الجديده تتعلم منهم.
2- اهم حاجة احنا محتاجينها هى الهدف “ومتكونش حاجة مبهمة ذى مثلا اننا نصلح الكون” لأ لازم تكون حاجة واضحة وفى متناول ادينا.
3- ياريت نعمل جدول زمنى للأهداف اللى عايزين نحققها و يبقى فيه dead line for every task.
4- بلاش حد يشتغل من دماغه وخلاص لأنه مش هيقدر يعمل حاجه لوحده وهيضيع وقته ومجهوده ومش هيجيب نتيجة فى الاخر.
ده رأيى بصراحة
هو مش هروب من واقع لكن اقدر اقولك إنه يأس لان الواقع ده احنا بنعيشه كل يوم
على العموم انا سمعت كلمه من دكتور فى اداره الاعمال قال “إن مفيش مشروع خاص فى مصر ينجح الا لما يكون صاحبه هو المسؤل عن كل كبيره و صغيره فيه” انا اول ما سمعت الجمله ديه افتكرت الكات علطول
بالنسبه بقى للاداره الكلام اللى بتقوله ده كويس جدا بس ناقص حاجه كمان إيه الدافع اللى هيخلى الناس تيجى و تشتغل مع الكات او بمعنى اصح ازاى تقنعهم بدافع كويس هما مقتنعين بيه و عايزين يعملوا حاجه علشانه هو لو فيه دافع واضح عندهم كانوا اشتغلوا لوحدهم
كمان فيه حاجه تانيه المدير الذكى هو اللى بيخلى مرؤسيه بينفذوا اللى عليهم لوحدهم
What Secret Project
Well, Regarding the secret project, I don’t think it’s the right place to discuss it but generally one aspect of the ideas behind the CAT is to go public, it’s not about surprising people with how clever you are! it’s about helping other and working together.
There is one single question I asked in this topic, but actually I didn’t get any answers “So What?” what do you think the future of the CAT will be?
About the CAT goal, I’ll publish the mission statement as soon as I get any decent internet connection because it’s very difficult here in sudan to get internet.
Most of the ideas you have suggested are already tested and I think that I’ve experimented every single way to eliminate those problems but still remains the community problems. For example, let’s talk about the algorithms course.
The algorithms course is one of my favourite courses and I really enjoy it, people are motivated and interested, but how many of them will survive until the end of the course? The course started by more than 50 and now we have about 15 only 4 of them sending me assignments!
So, this small group is a random sample of the entire community, they are highly interested, highly motivated, guided, educated, and guess what? No Ouput! (what can I do with them? except collecting money from everyone to force them to work?)
طب ياشباب طالما فى أفكار كتير كده اتمنى اشوف الناس كلها فى الميتنج الجاى ونبدأ نحل مشاكلنا بشكل عملى طالما الناس متجاوبه الحمدلله اهو
السلام عليكم
ازيك يا احمد . انا بصراحه عانيت عقبال ما قريت كل الكلام ده . اعتقد ده من اكبر البوست الى اتعملت عندك
فى الاول انا مش محتاج اقول احمد سليمان عمل ايه للكات والهاكرز . وغير ايه فى الناس . واثر ازاى فى ناس وبذل مجهود قد ايه . لان الكلام ده اعتقد ان انتا عارفه وكمان الناس قالت فيه بما فيه الكفايه وانا قلت لك الكلام ده مرات قبل كده من باب انها حقيقه وان الانسان لازم يشكر على مجهوده . ومن الناس الى انت اثرت فيهم هم انا والكلام فى النقطه دى تطول
وكامن بالمثل نقطه ان الكات غيرت فيك واثرت فيك وعرفتك وووو وهكذا وده برضه انتا عارفه واكيد حاسه لان عمر مافى انسان بيعيش يوم الا وبيفيده ومابيقابلش حد الا وبيكتسب حاجه جديده ومش شرط علميا
بس انا عايز اقول حاجه تانيه ان انا بصراحه مش مقتنع انك تسيب الكات والهاكرز . مع العلم انى عارف انك مش هتسيب خالص وانك هتفضل تساعد الناس . ومع العلم برضه انى عارف قد ايه الناس كسلانه والكات مش كويسه وحال الهاكرز وووو وهكذا . لاكن بصراحه ومن غير ما اعيد الكلام فاسبابى الى بقول بيها كده متفقه الى حد كبير مع الى قاله محمد امام
ايوه ممكن يكون طفح بيك الكيل وزهقت زمش شايف امل . بس ده طبيعه اى اصلاح فى الدنيا فى بيئه مدمره مش بس بايظه . وده هموم الناس الى قايمه على الاصلاح . وده الدور الى انت طول عمرك بتقول انه على المثقف . فيه ناس بتصلح بطريقتها وتخش السجن . فيه ناس بتصلح فى الدين . وناس زينا بتصلح بالعلم وان احنا ننهض بالشباب . ايوه ممكن تكون فى اوقات انت اكتر واحد عملت وتعبت وفى المقابل انت اكتر واحد اخذ ثواب وكمان اكتر واحد عمل مجهود فى الاصلاح وبالتالى ده هيساعد اكتر على الاصلاح
الناس الى مش بتتعلم دول ومش بيطوروا فى نفسهم دول مش اغبياء لاكن دول غلبانين . احنا بنحاول نغير فى ثقافه وشخصيات وده اصعب شى ممكن فى الدنيا . انك تغير شخصيه واحد من كذاب لصادق دى صعبخ جدا وبالمثل الى احنا بنحاول نغيره من مغيب وغير مثقف لمثقف .
انا عارف ان انا مش محتاج اقو لك امثله من قديم ومن الرسول ومن الصحابه ومن العصر الحديث عن قصص الاصلاح وغيره لان انا عارف ان انتا عارفها كلها بس الى خلاك تاخد القرار ده هو ان زعلك وديقك هو الى حركك وفى بعض الاحيان لما الواحد بيوصل للحاله دى ممكن ياخد قرار من ده . بس انا بامل ان انت تقول لا انا لسه مع الكات وهبذل فيها اقصى ما عندى
برضه انا عارف ان انا الفتره الى فاتت مش كنتش متابع ولا اكتف . بس عايزين الناس كلها تفضل موجود حتى لو مش اكتف . فممكن بكره تكون اكتف . وكمان انت لسه مدى كورس تبع الهاكرز ازاى انت بتقول انك مش بتدى جديد وعلشان كده هتسيب
احنا دايما يا احمد لما كنا بنكلم بنقول ان مصر دى ناقصها قائد . وبصراحه برضه الكات والهاكرز ناقصها قائد ومع الاعتذار كلنا ما عرفناش نقود الكات الا على شكل صغير بسبب ان احنا كنا مشغولين وعندنا كليه والتجربه جديده وضيق الامكانيات والناس مش مساعده وغيره وغيره وغيره
انا مش عايز اطول اكتر من كده وان شاء الله لما اشوفك اكلم معاك اكتر لان انا عملت الموضوع ده مفاجأه من غير ما يكون فيه سابق انذار . واتمنى ان انت ترجع تانى فى القرار ونعيد نشاطنا مع الكات ومنهم انا كمان بشك مختلف وتخطيط مختلف ممكن نحل كتير من المشاكل
سلام
السلام عليكم
أحمد ….. كلمة منك غيرت ناس كتير
أنت كنت نقطة تحول ولازلت المثل الأعلى لناس كتيرة جدا
الى انت شايفه دة مش هيستمر كتير وان شاء الله فى أمل بس انت مينفعش تخرج فى الوقت دة بالذات
First of All, I didn’t say that I’m leaving CAT! and I just needed to know “so what?” are we going forward or we are uselessly losing time!
I believe that we can do that change you are talking about but what I started to believe in more, is that change will not come out of those people.
So it would be more efficient if we started looking the other way around and we can spend more time and effort with people who “can” seriously change so we get more efficient results.
Check that link ..
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/CATReloaded/
This is our yahoo group ..It’s created even before Ahmed joins CAT
And it’s Founded on Apr 4th, 2005.. so CAT is 4 years and one day today
And BTW CAT Scope 4 was 2 days 27th and 28th of April too
I know that my post is so late ..but late better than never and absolutely better than having this mistake again
http://br.bingorabbit.com/2009/03/5-years/
I know that the 5 years part isn’t the key part of this entry but all what I can comment is -as I said before- we lack motivated experienced members ..
We are having a U-turn, changing out activities & theme from courses workshops and one-sided activity to a more project based community.
Foundation system is a nice system sometimes it needs some tweaks to make it friendly to members, specially new members, but it’s not the reason that members are motivated internally.
Problem, that we-CAT- is facing today 2morow and the day after is the culture of members, which also resisted us in the previous phase of educating the community.
We managed to change the community to IT community and we faced a looot of problems and we are -now- forming the community we managed to build all these years ..
So i’m -strangly- optimistic about CAT performance unlike others
Thank you, Sorry for long post
Salam